Sunday, August 28, 2005

More PC nonsense

A story in the Telegraph revealed that a £48000 lottery grant is being used to make a film about the "traditions" of gypsy travellers. The film will be shown to schoolchildren in Hampshire.

I have written the following letter to the chief executive of the Lottery. If my application is unsuccesful (as I suspect it will be) it might at least prompt them to think about the double standards they apply when handing out barrel loads of cash to groups who want preferential treatment.

Copy of Letter to Carole Souter Director Heritage Lottery Fund 7 Holbein Place London:

I am writing to you in the hope that you might see fit to consider my interesting, vital and culturally-relevant application for a grant from the “Your Heritage” scheme.

Following on from the £48,000 you gave for the production of a video aimed at giving schoolchildren a greater understanding of the culture and traditions of “Gypsy Travellers,” I am very keen to commission an equally “useful” and “informative” piece of film that will serve to educate said “gypsy travellers” on some of the ancient traditions and communal practices of another group of people, who we might called “settled folk”.

I use the term to describe that large group of people in Britain who opt to live their lives in houses or flats. Although large in number “settled folk” often face prejudice and misunderstanding from gypsy travellers when they come into contact with them.

I should like my film to focus on such issues as the importance which the “settled community” place on property rights, their rigid adherence to an ancient code which they refer to as “planning regulations,” and the time honoured custom of clearing up one’s rubbish.

Should time allow we could also include a section about the cardboard circle which settled folk purchase annually from post offices and use to adorn their vehicles - known as a tax disc.

The film could then be distributed to traveller sites across the country to give travellers an insight into the customs of the settled community. I am sure you will agree that this film will be as worthwhile and relevant as the one currently being made in Hampshire.

I look forward to receiving confirmation that you find this project acceptable and will ask a film maker to get in touch.

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Blogger THX 1138 said...

wow! 14 comments on a new post! I'll just read them...

oh.
relevent things.

horray!

11:44 AM  
Blogger WillB85 said...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4222988.stm


Well done, that needed to be said.

8:36 AM  
Blogger Jon Hall said...

David, this article is divisive, childish and fatuous. Conservatives wonder why people don't vote for them.

10:22 AM  
Blogger Tameside resident said...

Re the lottery film request.
I read the comment as funny. I assume you wrote it in good humour.
However, you will save me a small fortune, as each year we find out about another stupid lottery award. I will no longer play. The money can go on premium bonds and sod the stupid awards. Yes I will put something in a collecting tin, but I choose which.
Wish you were my MP.

1:10 PM  
Blogger Gremlin said...

Having had property stolen when the travellers were in town and my son having been assaulted by a traveller, I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiments.

Keep up the good work.

2:50 PM  
Blogger Brit in America said...

More power to your arm David, its about time the PC crowd got treated like the idiots they are.

4:18 PM  
Blogger Happy Dojo said...

Mr Davis, when they finish the film perhaps you could watch it with the primary school children and gain some sort of education?

6:44 PM  
Blogger Ewen said...

Embarrassed yourself there mate. Might have sounded clever when you wrote it, but actually just makes you come across as a bit of a smug twat. Too bad.

7:14 PM  
Blogger Jules Woodell said...

Shame you choose to get your info from a newspaper known for it's slanted reporting...

As an elected representative you should do your own research. It is a travesty of our modern democracy that MPs like yourself are so lazy that you rely on the press barons to set the agenda

11:36 PM  
Blogger Laban said...

David Davies AM for PM !

11:36 PM  
Blogger David Davies AM said...

All of the irrelevent "spam" blogs have been deleted and I have switched on the word verification system to prevent more.

Everything else critical or not can stay.

All I can say to Ewen is that is that if an English teacher can't do better than that no wonder the standard of spoken English is so bad.

1:23 AM  
Blogger Snafu said...

David, I laughed out loud when I heard the report on Radio 4 last night. Well done!!

I can only assume Jules Woodell reads the very unbiased Guardian.

6:25 AM  
Blogger anti-tory said...

Dearest David,

Great to see you making another cock-up, adding a further dose of discrimation to your long list of unacceptable, biggoted comments concerning minorities in Wales.

May you forever remain in the public lime light, for you continue to embelish the Tory party's disgusting image, thus further hampering its chances of ever regaining power. Hoorah!

Love and hugs,
Gay, anti-Tory (and especially anti-David Davies) student

7:00 AM  
Blogger Nicholas said...

STOP BEING TOLERANT OF INTOLERANCE!
I think you make a good point that everyone who lives here has certain rights and responsibilities that must be followed, including paying taxes and obeying the law and voting.

9:46 AM  
Blogger Kevin_UK said...

I am glad to see that you are playing on peoples base fears as an 'educated' MP. I am also glad that, as an MP, you are taking action and doing something worthwhile with your time, rather than boring things such as combating homelessness and poverty in your community. This is far more important than such 'PC' things as that. I hope you reap what ye sow, Davis, which one day, I am sure you will.

Tell me, do you find nazis attractive?

1:26 AM  
Blogger rod liddle said...

An MP with a sense of humour and a degree of fearlessness! And indeed representing the majority views of his constituents, I would guess. "Are you a Nazi", indeed. Good luck to you Mr Davies + well said.

7:13 AM  
Blogger FraudTech said...

Here's a fact for the PC crowd. The gypsies are not at peace with any society they come into contact with. Could it be that everyone on this planet is a racist and enjoys making life difficult for the gypsies? Or, maybe, just maybe, might the gypsies be the cause of their own problems?

It would appear that Mr. Davies has already discovered the answer to this not so perplexing question.

9:38 PM  
Blogger AnthroPax said...

Tameside resident said...
Wish you were my MP.

We could swop if you like...

3:01 PM  
Blogger AnthroPax said...

Lets change a few words about shall we?

FraudTech said...
Here's a fact for the PC crowd. The [Jews] are not at peace with any society they come into contact with. Could it be that everyone on this planet is a racist and enjoys making life difficult for the [Jews]? Or, maybe, just maybe, might the [Jews} be the cause of their own problems?

It would appear that Mr. Davies has already discovered the answer to this not so perplexing question.

It must be built into their culture/genes that those damn gypsies make trouble!

3:04 PM  
Blogger FraudTech said...

Nice try by anthropax, but his word substitution game is not only illogical but a bit childish. If anything, he has demonstrated a great ignorance on the subject matter under discussion.

I might be wrong, but I get the definite impression that some who have posted here, including anthropax, view any attempt at holding gypsies accountable for their actions as an unfair and evil practice. Would be interesting to know why that makes any sense to them.

5:56 PM  
Blogger mick said...

In support of AnthroPax...the offensiveness here is that there are many people of gypsy stock who are living both within and without the settled community and they all get tarred with the same stereotype i.e. dumping rubbish, not adhering to planning law, etc etc. The traveller and gypsy communities are diverse; ethnically, socially and financially just like any other community so it is plain stupid to apply generic stereotypes to them all. Anthropax' word substitution may appear childish but it is a useful test - you would not (I would hope) say the same things of Muslims, Jews or black people (actually some in the party would, wouldn't they?). Of course, there are some people within the travelling community who are not socially aware and display unacceptable behaviourc - but it is by no means all travellers/ gypsies. Suggesting otherwise, even in jest, is dangerous,leads to prejudice, and physical attacks on innocent people. In 2003 Johnny Delaney, a 15 year old boy was murdered, beaten to death, in what was accepted by the courts as a racially motivated attack. Anti gypsy rhetoric in the media and by politicians fuels this. David Davis should be ashamed. You wonder why the Conservatives have stayed out of power so long? People are sick of the politics of hate.

4:56 AM  
Blogger FraudTech said...

Despite my desire to respond to mick, who speaks on behalf of AnthroPax, and whose beliefs are so strong that he basically remains anonymous,(i.e., no profile information) I shall exercise some restraint. I don't wish for this to become my BLOG, and as such will wait until others respond.

I will, however, suggest that anyone who takes umbrage with my comments first visit my web site, http://www.fraudtech.org because I have throughly addressed just about every possible criticism you might choose to voice, which includes those from mick. For example, mick, you might be interested to know that many Romani activists would view you as a racist despite your best intentions here. I'll let you further explore the reason for this on your own.

8:16 PM  
Blogger mick-again said...

apologies to FraudTech. I have not completed a profile as I only wanted to make a comment on a blog - I was not expecting to become a full time blogger on the David Davies website. Apologies to all Romanies, Travellers and Gypsies for the lack of capitalisation in my previous message. Apologies to my mother for not capitalising my own name... FraudTech, I am sure that no Gypsy, Romany or Traveller in the UK reading my message would find any way near as much offence as some of the material on your website. My point to you and Mr Davis is simply that when you judge an entire group with the worst behaviour of a section of that group - you are being discriminatory. When you find evidence to support a widely held view, it is not always the whole truth. When one specifically investigates "Gypsy crime" you are no doubt going to find evidence of Gypsy mis-demeanour - but it's not the whole truth. Many people think Americans are unbelievably stupid, bigotted, easily led, racist, self centred, red necks ready to go to war with any Arab country with an oil supply - but this is not the whole truth either.

2:05 PM  
Blogger FraudTech said...

My most profound thanks to Mick for pointing out that perhaps not all Americans are war mongering racist rednecks who are bent on obtaining oil at any cost. We really do appreciate the support. I’ll assume he meant well, but I dare say he should not seek a career as a diplomat. Geeze!

There was a line made popular in a classic American movie, Cool Hand Luke that nicely sums up what is occurring here. The line was, "what we have here is a failure to communicate." This breakdown became apparent when I noticed in Mick’s latest response that he treated Gypsies as a race separate from the Romani. And herein lies the problem when attempting to discuss this sensitive topic without driving one another batty. We are using the same words but with different meanings. I don't know what others think of when they speak of the Gypsies, but I’ve already made it clear on my web site exactly how and why I use the term.

With over 35 years of interacting with gypsy criminal groups, interviewing their many victims, studying what the academicians and Romani activists had to say on the topic, comparing what they have written to what is actually happening, and after listening to the views of people from all walks of life, I can say with the utmost of confidence that reaching any common understanding on this topic is never going to happen. There are many reasons for this, but the most obvious is that we can’t even reach an agreement on who the Gypsies are, or are not. For some Gypsies are a separate race. Others believe Gypsies are a sub-culture within a broader society known as Roma or Romani. Still others believe Irish and Scottish Travellers, Gypsies and Roma and others who lead a nomadic lifestyle are one in the same. Some people, including many Rom, believe the word “Gypsy” is a racist slur, while other Roma view it as a valid designation for a segment of their particular culture. And this list of contradictions goes on and on. Added to this confusion the fact that many criminal groups, who choose to call themselves Gypsies, continue to engage in criminal acts that far exceed the current petty crime myths that are used in providing excuses for what can only be described as anti-social behavior. People on both sides of this issue tend to agree that the criminal activities committed by members of this particular group are wrong and need to be dealt with. The sharp differences almost always involve how this problem should be addressed.

While attempting to discuss this topic with others, I’ve noticed that many of them are short on facts. This becomes apparent the instant they use the race card to support their emotionally based opinions. I’m not suggesting that race cannot be an issue, only that the accusers should at least offer some credible proof to support their allegations. Another problem arises when attempting to debate someone who holds two contradicting opinions and believes both are accurate. For instance, anyone who says that the members of the gypsy criminal groups should be treated no differently than members of any other ethnic group, while at the same time demanding that such groups be afforded differential treatment is guilty of what George Orwell called “doublethink.” To this list we must add those who rely solely on ad hominem attacks against anyone who dares disagree with them. In short, if you can’t kill the message, then kill the messenger by any means possible.

If nothing else is accomplished through debates such as this, then let it be that everyone is actually talking about the same topic. Who knows, we might discover that we are more in agreement then one might imagine.

10:13 PM  
Blogger ddisanazi said...

the tories, are the party of the gay hater, the bully, the hatwer iof gypsies, the scumbag that insults total strangers, they atre the party of the black shirtsd, they are the party of evil, the party of hate, but after trhey gas everybody in concentration xcamps, they allways say, "it was just a joke a joke, can't you see the funny side"

1:56 PM  
Blogger Kevin Sparrow said...

FraudTech dare quote George Orwell in his defence of racist attitudes towards Gypsy Travellers. In case you are not aware, or have only read 1984, Orwell was a Socialist, and fought against prejudice and oppression throughout his life. In fact he also fought Fascists with a rifle in Spain in 1936/37, or have you not read Homage to Catalonia? Wish he was still here to take a pot shot at Hate Mongerers such as the closet Davies. Tsk.

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